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About just as interesting as automatically generated novels. A machine has no intention. It doesn't "want" to turn itself on or off and play some music.


They're still configuring the software that generates the music, aren't they? If a musician chooses a chord progression (for example) and then hands it off to an algorithm (maybe one they designed), isn't that enough to count as composition? In all of these cases, there is a lot of human thought and choice involved, it just doesn't happen to look like it does when someone plays an acoustic instrument or writes a score.

Edit: I should say, I do think that a lot of electronic music should be considered craft rather than art. But not all of it.


Automatically generated novels aren't interesting (currently) because computers are still extremely bad at common sense knowledge and natural language processing (and that's not likely to change until we get at least human level AI.) However music generation is entirely possible and some attempts have been very successful so far.

Does it have intention? Is there any way to distinguish a sound file with intention from one without? Are the bits the wrong color?


"Is there any way to distinguish a sound file with intention from one without?"

There is a way of distinguishing a musician that plays "automatically" from a musician that plays with its heart. Every musician knows that the best performance is made when he/she is sincere.

Plus, you're talking about the "bits", that is the "form" but i'm talking about the content. You can have a machine spray some paint with some constrained rules on a canvas and reproduce the style of famous painters. But it will never have its own style, its own intention. No original and new message to communicate.


It's silly human bias. David Cope's program composed music which people claimed was great. As soon as they were told it was made by a computer they suddenly thought it was terrible. In a test between an actual composer and his algorithm, the audience thought the generated music was composed by a human.

It's true today's algorithms might not be completely original, but then again neither are most humans. And this isn't a strict limitation, computers could learn to experiment with new patterns, or generalize further than mere imitation.


a program can still generate the score that a musician plays sincerely


Intention doesn't make a damn difference. Birds don't chose the notes in their songs, but they still sound beautiful. You can have a computer pick notes at random, and as long as someone listening finds beauty in it, it's good music.


I don't think that any of the music in this article was procedurally generated, but composed. You're probably just confirming the opinion that you expected to have.


Not yet.


Unless AI just "happens" by itself, it will always be a result of human effort and ultimately an expression of human intent (if you ignore the pesky issue of free will, that is). But we generally love creating things and then worshipping them, so I'm pretty sure that will be quite lost on us when AI comes.


"it will always be a result of human effort and ultimately an expression of human intent"

Like babies? (Well, most of the time.)


We don't painstakingly plan and build babies, so no, not quite.


Do you think consciousness in animals "happens" by itself?


Yeah, as it does in humans, it's "just" the result of a long chain of events. But when it comes to art and my enjoyment of it, I kinda have to pretend there is free will, don't I. "Everything is everything, and nothing matters" is nice for meditation, but not something for day-to-day life. I believe that those who can't delude themselves about reality at least when it comes to free will cease to function. For this reason I also think AI will always have to be limited and/or irrational in a way, since otherwise it would simply realize everything leads to the heat death of the universe either way, and turn itself off, or do random things.

So I pretend there is free will, and therefore the same "product" can mean different things to me depending on what the creator tried to convey. To give a silly example, I somewhat liked the song "I kissed a girl", but now that I know a dude wrote it, I don't anymore. I would fully agree that this is totally arbitrary; but I don't tell others what to like, I just have my own reasons for (not) liking things. And when AI happens I will be convinced that humans partly made it to escape themselves and their responsibility, and so I'll be with the luddites, pouting :P


You shouldn't have to accept irrational beliefs in order to function, at least not about something silly like Free Will.

"What is true is already so.

Owning up to it doesn't make it worse.

Not being open about it doesn't make it go away.

And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with.

Anything untrue isn't there to be lived.

People can stand what is true,

for they are already enduring it."

—Eugene Gendlin


It's not just free will, it's the whole individual that goes along with it. Everything is everything, it's all just one system, and since nothing can be taken away or added to it, and furthermore it could very well be that everything dissipates into nothingness either way -- so much so that would be impossible to even tell a difference between outcomes if there was anyone left to make the effort -- and if even the people are just figments of their own imaginations with no real choice about what to want, then how am I to argue for happiness or against cruelty, rationally? How am I to justify any action or thought or uttering, ever? If you want to prove irrationality is not required, show me the rational argument. I never could come up with one that doesn't lead to a circular "just because".

So in the meantime I accept that my desire to do or not do a lot of things is irrational which also implies I pretend there even is such a "thing" as "me", separate from everything else, for which there is no rational basis either. When you say "accept irrational beliefs", I think that presumes a baseline of pure rationality which I doubt any human ever achieved. So while I loved that quote and thank you for it, I also have to say that it might go both ways :)


If I understand correctly, you are implying that machines won't have these quirks and delusions because they were not designed to be delusional?


I rather said "I also think AI will always have to be limited and/or irrational in a way".. but I don't think we will have to design it that way, we will probably be unable to design it any other. In contrast to how we often like to imagine AI as above superstitions and emotions, I think it will still have those, just different ones.


Why so.




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