And if people in every field and every community felt that way gender issues would never get discussed, let alone dealt with.

Unless you truly believe that there are no issues, this attitude is just intellectual laziness. Whether it comes from a woman or not is irrelevant.

I'm thinking she means what dfxm12 is saying in his reply: Do, Lead, Build something, and Make a statement with the thing you build.

Great quote. I try to convey this to people. Melvin Van Peebles didn't complain that blacks were underrepresented in Hollywood. He just went out and made Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song (and it wasn't easy). That movie ushered a new era of black cinema. He solved the problem by doing, not pontificating.

I'm not saying there's no room for talking, but at this point no one is bringing anything new to the table; I'm saying if you want to solve a problem do something about it. Lead by example.

Bill Cosby took another approach. (Both are valid, attacking the front and the flank.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Spy_(1965_TV_series)

> I Spy's contribution to American television and society by being the first series to star a black and a white actor together,

> (Culp revealed in his audio commentary on the DVD release that he and Cosby agreed early on that "Our statement is a non-statement" regarding race, and the subject was never discussed again.) As a strait-laced Rhodes scholar fluent in many languages, Cosby's "Scotty" was really the brains of the team. His partner (Culp) was the athlete and playboy who lived by his wits.

Then, of course, came The Cosby Show's years of illustrating a non-stereotypical black family, almost never talking directly about it.

Speaking of Cosby, he helped finance van Peebles' film.

And every minute spent denigrating another human being about being different than yourself, or different than the group you are with, or for any other reason is a wasted minute that should be better spent building free software. If we would just concentrate on A) getting our jobs done (or rather, just living our lives) and B) not being assholes, sexism wouldn't be an issue.

I very much agree in general. I often feel like people would be better off just getting on with their work rather than wasting their time discussing some of these issues. In this case though I just felt so strongly that the article was patronising and sensationalist that I felt something needed to be said.

That seems to be a very myopic, short-term and self-serving take on the issue/debate.

I'm pretty sure every minute spent listening to someone who calls themselves "FreeBSD Girl" is a wasted minute. Also listening to anyone who hasn't studied the issue for years is a wasted minute. You're actually wasting two minutes for every minute.

Enough said.

So is every minute evangelizing for AWS....

Aggressive behavior will get you nowhere. ESPECIALLY because of your earlier post.

This is not against men having a view. But a woman is far more likely to understand sexism AGAINST women - because of (shock horror) being women.

I'd like to appeal to HN to just ignore this poster -- nothing fruitful will come from engaging.

So, you have only just registered an hour ago under a username that is chosen to reference the title of one article, purely in order to troll that article.

You should probably not bother trying to argue from a position of credibility really.