Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

> It’s worth the effort because there’s usually a huge leak of energy when our gait is unbalanced or restricted.

Why do I want my walk to leak less energy / be more efficient? A fast walk is nowhere near my aerobic limit, so what would be the benefit of using less energy? Having a sedentary job, I generally need more exercise, not less.

A better thing to optimize for would be less impact on knees and back.



Your argument doesn’t really makes sense. I spent a lot of time fixing my run and posture and indirectly how I walk due to injuries.

You 100% want to be moving correctly. Correct, efficient movement also helps with injuries. They’re related.

Once you are moving correctly, getting more exercise injury free is trivial. You just work longer, heavier or faster. You don’t need to move inefficiently (and probably incorrectly) to “get more exercise”.


As a side effect, is it just my quarantined lizard brain, or is the first walk that she does really sexy? The unobstructed, natural and relaxed walk has got do transmit sooo much both to your self and to the people around you; I'm sure that's also true for the less efficient / stressed walking.


There is something there. I've noticed it only a few times before. It feels like is has something to do with natural hip motion signaling deep health.

In this case, it's not quite the same as when I've seen it in randomly in others. You can tell it's a little forced.


What did you do to fix your running posture? Any recommendations? (Trying to work on this myself)


Not OP, but I am a nationally qualified running coach (in my spare time outside of my day job). I have run all sorts of distances from 5k park runs to 100 mile and above ultra marathons. I have made every mistake in the book and helped quite a few people avoid the same mistakes.

To keep things simple with two easy to follow steps:

1. Tall posture, imagine a balloon is tied to the top of your head and is pulling you upwards.

2. Download a metronome app to your phone and set it around 170 and in time climb up to 175 180 if it feels ok. You then want to time each foot strike to a beep. This will cause your stride to narrow and discourage an overstride. When you overstride the foot extends forwards and the force of landing gets absorbed by your knee / hips, which is inefficient (its almost like applying a break) and it can cause injury. Running at a high cadence tends to make you ligter on your feet and encourages a good foot strike (under the cartridge of the hips), landing in this way benefits from the elasticity we have in our tendons and you get a certain amount of energy return from this.

This video describes it very well and the runner has beautiful form. Just don't try to take it all in, focus on the cadence 170-175-180 rhythm and get that right first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSIDRHUWlVo


Be careful when changing running style. If you change too fast you increase the risk of injury. Happened to me. Had knee problems. Switched to barefoot running with short fast step and very light to no heel impact. Felt great! But I pushed too fast, got a foot injury which is still bothering me and limiting my long distance running.

For me a fast very short step on varied ground worked best to slow down.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0gXKdNPW-2U/V4EW8HkpSfI/AAAAAAAAi...


I noticed that running barefoot naturally tends to correct overstriding. Because landing on your heels would be painful.


Awesome, thank you.


I did some Pose Method. Just enough to level up and prevent injury.

I’m not a runner. Don’t know what the running community recommends.

https://posemethod.com/running/


Is the 'pose method' just pseudoscience?

There isn't a single mention of it on Wikipedia, and as far as I can tell few serious runners use it.


I’m not sure what you mean by pseudo science here.

It’s a structured way to change your running style. The guy also has some opinions.

I did not do the actual Pose seminars (we did try though). Our coach did and was passing things on. We often looked at top runners to see what they were doing and tried to learn what we could.

If you want proof that this is the best way for everyone. Well, this is the fitness industry. You’re not going to get that! Listen to what they have to say if you think it could be useful for you. Give things a good try. If they work, keep them. If they don’t, discard them.

All I can say is that this method seems reasonable and now I can run on my bum knee with no problems.


I think efficiency and impact are generally inversely proportional, so you're good either way.

If walking isn't near your aerobic limit then you'd be much better off doing something else for exercise than making your stride less efficient.

Walking as a kind of meditation or just to relax might be quite valuable. Then, the more efficient (relaxed) the better.


I wonder this sometimes about bicycling— I'm fortunate enough to be able to commute by bike year-round, and to have a separate winter bike to ride in the snowy months. But the winter bike is a lot heavier and therefore more work to ride, so I'm sure I get more exercise riding it.

On the other hand, I also have more fun riding my summer bike and therefore ride it further and farther (eg, choosing it for errands above and beyond my commute). So I think the performance gain is still a win for my exercise regimen.


I would consider the geometry and body posture of your winter bike vs summer bike. It's possible that one (or both!) of them aren't fitted properly for exercising in a way that is good for your body and posture, although they are probably just fine for riding about town. Bike fit is one of those things where once you get it right, you'll wonder how you survived any other way.


That's a good point and something to look into for sure— the summer bike is a pretty standard road racer (Cannondale R800), whereas the winter one is more of an upright-posture city rider (KHS Urban X), so definitely quite different; and I've never been professionally fitted on either one.

TBH, the real driver on getting a second ride was just having the fatter wheels that would accommodate studded tires, which are a total godsend for riding on icy and snowy roads.


An energy leak could mean the wrong muscles are firing. I sometimes get hip issues when I walk since I got in the habit of, for want or a better word, "floppy" and less intentional motion for some reason. This means one muscle can be doing most of the work and the supporting muscles aren't playing their role. When this happens I have to slow down and ensure I'm using my full suite of muscles or it gets worse.


> A better thing to optimize for would be less impact on knees and back.

I have osteoporosis, and my endocrinologist told me to do weight-wearing exercises, including running. For me, we _needed_ high impact exercises to strengthen the bones.

If you're going to be just walking, the slight impact might very well be something you need. Different goals for every body, but I'm just saying this out loud so that "less impact for knees" doesn't become a goal for folks who read that statement.


yes, bones are not nearly as static as many of us believe they are. they're dynamic tissues that require stress (impact) to maintain adequate strength, for all of us.

it's one of the major reasons joint replacements fail: because the replaced joint is taking too much stress away from the surrounding bone, which then weakens, and eventually breaks under stresses it can no longer sustain.


Mayo Clinic disagrees with you and thinks your advice is dangerous.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/osteoporosis/...

You may be an exceptional case, but your should mention that.


While I wish I had a good amount of credible sources on hand to post with this comment, I only really have suggestive anecdotal data.

Mayo Clinic isn't as good as you might think when it comes to musculoskeletal issues. They're great with infectious diseases though. In this case, I'd take caution with their thoughts on osteoporosis.

For example, Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. For the longest time Mayo Clinic denied it was a real condition. Then they agreed that 1/3 types was a real condition. Now they accept all types, or at least say they do, but try to chase away a large amount of people that have it for some reason. Finally, their surgery/treatment protocols are statistically quite bad now that they've started treating it. They've ruined a good amount of people's lives with bad surgical methods related to the syndrome... On the other hand, Boston Massachusetts General Hospital excels at musculoskeletal issues, especially thoracic outlet syndrome.

This is coming from somebody diagnosed with TOS at Mayo Clinic, going to MGH for surgical options as the average review from people having treatment at Mayo was terrible. Mass Gen. found that my case was much worse than Mayo had reported in their notes, and that their treatment protocol would've made me quite worse. Mass Gen. attempts a large amount of re-do surgeries for this syndrome with surprisingly good outcome, and people who had bad surgery at Mayo Clinic are their largest percentage of re-do's.

Just a thought I think should be out there. Like most institutions it would seem, Mayo is really good at some things... And really bad at others.


Had TOS, but mild enough for physical therapy alone. Fingers tingle thinking about it. But wasn’t so lucky with ulna related issues :-/


I assure you that while you definitely should be walking more, walking alone is by no means exercise.

By walking inefficiently you aren't getting "more exercise" than walking efficiently.


> walking alone is by no means exercise.

why is that?


I think that's a deep question with a deep answer and will urge to to talk to your doctor about that.


I guess one way to waste energy is to have a big impact on your knees and back. If you want to recycle your energy, you can't waste it on impacts?


More energy means more heat. You don't want to walk fast and arrive all sweaty and out-of-breath at a shop or a meeting etc.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: