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It seems like it comes down to whether or not you're addicted to Fox News. My grandmother likes Flock, but nobody else I know does.

> Consumers in the PC segment expect high performance across a wide range of applications

It seems there is a persistent rift between what hardware designers think users want and what users are asking for, only recently being addressed by major OEMs with products such as the MacBook Neo.

Nobody I personally know wants a faster CPU; they want competent, faster, native feeling software and more power efficient hardware. CPUs have been plenty fast for at least a decade now, for anything the majority of users and even gamers are doing. I'm playing through the new and notoriously demanding LEGO Batman game on an RTX 2080 and an i7-4790k, a CPU from 2013 that even the base M1 easily beats. The game runs fine. Most people I am confident do not need better than the M1.


I think you underestimate how intensive it is to scroll LinkedIn in Edge while a YouTube video, Outlook, Adobe's updaters, antivirus, device management, and whatever incidental malware the user has picked up run in the background. That's the reality for a lot of people.

I believe that falls under competent software. However, I do see your point.

I was under the impression that race-to-idle made "fast" a significant factor in "power efficient"? Obviously needs software to not be terrible and needs to be able to scale the back down, but still.

That may be true at iso-voltage/frequency, but there are definitely places on that curve where it is better to be at a lower voltage (and thus frequency) than to run at a higher voltage just so you can race to idle.

> It seems there is a persistent rift between what hardware designers think users want and what users are asking for

> Nobody I personally know wants a faster CPU; they want competent, faster, native feeling software and more power efficient hardware.

I think you miss the point: what you claim that users want is not something that hardware designers have a lot of influence on (except for the aspect that the IC should be (more) power-efficient): these are rather problems that software developers are there to solve. So, hardware designers are simply the wrong persons to ask if you have such wishes.


That’s right, but power efficiency is an important factor, one of the main points where Intel is lagging behind ARM. And it’s also correct to point out that the main issue for end users is software, even if hardware designers can’t do much about it.

AMD and even Intel have reasonable to good performance / watt for most of the curve... But they do let you explore the top side of the curve where you get a little more performance for a lot more power. This is mostly because of how Intel and AMD compete directly and high end performance looks good in reviews.

Few (if any) ARM processors let you do that.

In many (most?) Intel/AMD systems, you can limit the maximum power delivered to the CPU and get good efficiency and most of the possible perfomance.


MacBook Neo certainly does not address my needs with a 8 GB and 512 SSD for 900 euros.

Additionally people shipping Electron crap also don't address my needs at all, everything that is Web based I already have an installed browser for it.


it turns on when you agree to the 197 page arbitration agreement

source: i made it up


seems reductive

and by "manners" they mean "people acting how I think they should act"


Yes, a shared understanding of the rules. Common context. Culture.

There are in fact expectations of your behavior and that is not a bad thing, despite western popular culture attempting to tell us otherwise.


In an industrial society, too many rule followers results in people being reduced to cattle. We need a subset of our society to be ungovernable in order to stave off tyranny, because historically, smart people aren't trying or succeeding at that. As another commenter in this thread stated, though under different context, our bodies wouldn't make the venom if we didn't need it to survive.


eating a smelly pizza in a cinema doesn't make you one of the Tolpuddle Martyrs


End stage capitalism is itself a result of shamelessness.


maybe they just mean consideration for others


cults always utilize this kind of fanservice for initiation


Sorry, none of what you just said makes any practical sense.


Could you elaborate?


I think I can. In 2026 Excel is unusable for me (I cannot see the active cell at a glance, I cannot trace dependent cells to “debug” my formulas, I cannot save directly to my local hard disk with a keystroke combination- I have to click around to avoid OneDrive)

Outlook freezes all the time. And in the past year or so AI “helpers” became very intrusive and distracting.

Office 365 usually has an authentication snafu twice a year-those days are completely lost for me. But even in the days without outages Office 365 is glitching and requires multiple attempts to login.


Which OS are you using? On macOS I don’t have any of the issues you reported. It’s snappy and fast, no freezes whatsoever and sane shortcuts.


Why are you logged into OneDrive if you don’t want to use it?


Maybe he did not deliberately log into one drive, but was tricked with dark patterns and suggestive interface design. Which makes it even worse.

Or maybe he in fact is not logged into onedrive, and 365 simply sucks.


Actually I am not logged on OneDrive (AFAIK I did not create any OneDrive accounts) Excel insists that I should save my spreadsheets on OneDrive. Thus the infuriation.


Why was this written with explicit Windows 95 support? Just 'cuz?


Probably the same reason it was written with explicit DOS support.


best not, lads


new locked down spyware TVs are so cheap, who would want to buy and move -your- locked down spyware TV?


Jailbroken LG TVs are the panacea of locked down spyware TVs.

Although like OP, if I ever lose the ability to run root, then that's the day I look for a new TV (lord have mercy).


I don’t think I will ever again connect a tv to the internet


I wonder how long it will be until TVs have some sort of cellular modem built in. Maybe some form of LPWAN - your TV may not be connected to the internet, but odds are there's one in range that is.


Damn... The faraday cage around my TV will worsen the picture quality.


I was playing around with LG TV homebrew a while back. Still have the same TV, and in the age of AI, I'm considering putting a coding agent to work on a dump of the filesystem to see what it'd take to run stock Linux on it.


There's an active Discord server (I know, I know...) for LG's jailbreak community and there are some incredibly talented folk on there who know the ins and outs of webOS to a crazy level. I'd recommend checking it out if you're interested in that sort of thing.


Not sure if you can post the full link but what's the /invitecode for the server? I'd actually be interested in joining since I've been interested in this


Happy to share it! The community is called OpenLGTV[1]. You'll find a link to their Discord on their website.

  > OpenLGTV is a collective, non-commercial project for legal reverse engineering and research of LG (Smart and non Smart) TVs firmware, which is partially Open Source.
  > The main goal of the project is to improve the functionality of the TVs by adding new features, fixing bugs and providing new software.
[1] https://openlgtv.github.io


Presumably someone who is looking for a $50 TV.


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